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October 1, 2008

seagull 1 – St Ives

Filed under: John Ellis — zavaell @ 11:40



  1. An excellent bit of timing and ‘seeing’. I know how much you love being advised to crop your images but having had a play I think it benefits from the peripheral ‘bits’, which I guess is why they are there!

    Comment by Rex — October 1, 2008 @ 20:28

  2. Interestingly, Rex, I did wonder whether it ought to be cropped but came to the same conclusion as you! I had little choice about framing apart from which lens to use as this was a 42mm prime (OM 21mm f3.5).

    Comment by John Ellis — October 1, 2008 @ 20:55

  3. This reminds me of a Richard Misrach exhibit that was at the National Gallery during my recent trip to DC. Mesmerizing stuff.

    I wonder if this would be more striking without the bits around the top of the frame? As it is, those tents look like they might each the hapless sun bathers.

    Comment by matt — October 2, 2008 @ 14:14

  4. Matt – I can’t remember where it was that I saw those Misrach photos in the last year or so, perhaps the BJP. The periphery of this one is obviously up for debate. The tents are windbreaks: I don’t remember them coming into fashion.

    Comment by John Ellis — October 2, 2008 @ 18:17

  5. You paid the seagulls—or took them from another photo and dropped them in. Admit it.

    I am in the undecided camp regarding the peripheral “windbreaks.” Now, I like them, then I don’t. But with all the fun from the central part of the image who has time to fret? Wonderful.

    Comment by Anita Jesse — October 4, 2008 @ 00:33

  6. Standing above, with quite a few more clothes on than the girls, I had the gulls flying roughly at my level; so it was just a matter of waiting.

    Comment by John Ellis — October 4, 2008 @ 06:45

  7. The main part of the photo is perfect. The overall photo I’m less sure about. I can’t get the peripheral elements to jell. Even using a longer lens from where you were standing wouldn’t have helped because of the towels bleeding out to the right. Maybe just an occasion where reality wasn’t quite cooperating ;-)

    Comment by Colin — October 4, 2008 @ 09:55

  8. The top and left of the picture don’t add to the picture overall. For me the picture is in the 3 women, their towels and blow up rings with seagull shadows contributing to make the pictrue something different.

    Comment by Robert Hoehne — October 5, 2008 @ 00:37

  9. The items along the top need attention but I’m at a loss as to how! Remove them and the photograph becomes unbalanced. Show more and you may take some attention away from the centre-piece. Removed and a crop along the left throws the whole balance off. An interesting problem…

    Comment by akikana — October 7, 2008 @ 00:56

  10. My take on the surrounds is this: as Colin says, reality wasn’t quite where it should have been but I like the fact that the woman top left is primly pulling up her swimsuit in contrast to the girls and also that the windbreaks give a feel for the density of occupation of the beach. It may not be as neat as one would like but neither does it feel unbalanced.

    Comment by John Ellis — October 7, 2008 @ 07:09

  11. This is an interesting thread — reality not cooperating and all. Losing the woman top left would indeed be a shame. I can’t help with the dilemma, but agree with Anita about the fun of it, and also with your last line — “It may not be as neat as one would like but neither does it feel unbalanced.”

    Comment by Christina — October 8, 2008 @ 04:00

  12. Thanks Christina – some sort of concordat arrived at!

    Comment by John Ellis — October 8, 2008 @ 06:47

  13. Maybe I should rephrase ‘reality not co-operating’ as reality being tease :-)

    Comment by Colin — October 10, 2008 @ 04:32

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